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decision point kamala harris meets with top running mate contenders today as she moves to the next stage of her campaign, where we fight, we win. who will she choose? former adviser? now, california senator laphonza butler is here and at odds same stage, different day for donald trump and kamala harris in georgia she is destroyed. our country, but trump took a detour to attack. georgia, republican governor. he's a bad guy out. does that help him? former georgia joe lieutenant governor geoff duncan, who now opposes trump, joins our panel to respond and close trump, ally senator markwayne mullin is ahead, plus home-free president biden celebrates a successful prisoner swap. >> we get him back and turns to rising tensions in the middle east is a ceasefire deal more elusive, deputy national security adviser, jonathan finer, is coming up how long

dana bash in washington where the state of our union is on veep watch. >> vice president kamala harris is narrowing down her running mate list, and we'll interview top contenders today. ahead of her first appearance with her number two on tuesday cnn has learned that at least three men have made it to the final round and will meet with harris today. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, minnesota governor tim walz, and arizona senator mark kelly. but another presidential rite of passage of fall debate is not so clear after this weekend, donald trump backed out of a face-off. he'd agreed to with biden and said he would only debate harris if fox could moderate and do it in front of a studio audience next month, that came after days of false attacks by trump on harris is racial identity. last night, trump praised these comments from a speaker at his georgia rally a. >> few days ago president trump

said he didn't know vice president harris with a black woman. i'm trying to figure out what are the outrages about because she's only black when it's time to get elected while you're touting her as a savior for black people? she identifies as an asian woman she chose her side and it wasn't ours. >> here with me now is a former top harris aide and now a us senator from california. the fonts of butler. thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it. of course. let's just go back in time a few days do what sparked this uproar when the former president falsely claimed that the vice president, quote happened to turn black for political reasons. he has since doubled down highlighting her family's indian heritage on social media, suggesting she's not actually black you are the only black woman right now serving in the u.s. senate. you have known the vice president for a long time. what do you make of all this i think it's typical distracting, dodging donald trump it is interesting

that this argument is coming at a time when project 2025 was he was being connected to him and to his campaign that his campaign leadership was making sure that project 2025 was being distanced from their operation. >> and so look, this is an absolute distracted distraction. it is an insult, it is despicable. this is a woman who is born in oakland, california, who has declared and lived proudly. her eyes all of her identities, her entire life embracing the totality of who she is and donald trump wants to divide our country. the vice president wants to unite us and to bring everyone forward, no matter their identity. and this is the only card he's got to play. and so he's playing that he's desperate so it sounds like the way that the vice president and her campaign are approaching this switches kind of a less is more approach saying that it is

divisive and disrespectful. >> what you do to said that americans deserve better is enough, or do you think she should be in her campaign should be more aggressive in calling it out when he has the courage to meet her on the debate stage, i'm sure she will take care of any clear up any confusion that he has about who she is the vice president is very clear that the american people want to have a leader who actually cares about them, who wakes up every day, putting on the armor that is required to do their work to improve their lives. and so this distraction is just as just that a distraction and i don't think it requires there's much more response than him saying it to her face you think they'll end up debating the vice president's issue. we'll be there on september 10. i hope donald trump shows up since we're on the topic about race, and i will just add gender to that the she's of

course the first woman of color, not the first woman, but the first woman of color to lead a major party's presidential ticket, the first woman to do so, hillary clinton said in an op-ed that she sometimes shied away from talking about her own history making candidacy because i wasn't sure voters were ready for that do you think things have changed in eight years i believe so. i believe that the probability of the american people and being able to cast their ballot for a person for whom they have seen perform in the haifa highest levels for the last three-and-a-half years, a person who was lit largest department of justice, second only to the u.s. department of justice, a person who has been a public servant fighting for women and families their entire life. i believe the american people are ready to have a leader that puts them first. and in this debate that in this contest the contrast

couldn't be clearer. >> but you just described could be her qualifications not her gender, or her race that's where she should stay i think she's going to own all of who she is. that is who she is. she is never shied away from look that everyone you see her, you see a woman of color there's nothing that she can do to distract or high from that. she's going to own all of who she is if she's going to tell america what she brings to the table, let's talk about some of the issues that voters are going to go to the polls about the economy, the u.s. added 114,000 new jobs last month, which was disappointing unemployment jumped to 4.3% rising fears now that they're raising fears that there could be a recession. but even before that, even when the job numbers were really good, a month after month, polls consistently have shown that voters are most concerned about the economy and they don't approve of the

biden-harris administration. and their handling of it, what should she do differently? >> look, i think what she's going to be doing is telling the american people of what they have been doing. and i think she's going to project a continued vision of the future for how our economy can work for everyone. there is no no doubt that there's fear and anxiety a for working families all across this country. and the history and the record of vice president of the vice president is that she has stood arm in arm or shoulder to shoulder with those working families her entire career. i think she's going to own that and expect her to have an economic plan that continues to include all of the american people. >> a new economic plan, or it will continue with the biden administration plans i think it's about implementing the continuing to implement the biden-harris administration plan. >> this is a planet has added 18 million new jobs it has the fastest-growing manufacturing jobs in the history of our

country. i think she's got to make sure that there's continued implementation of their plan and she's going to definitely bring a vision that is about what she wants to do. >> in the 2020 primary, the vice president praised the defund, the police movement, and now she says she doesn't support defunding the police. she called for decriminalizing crossing the border illegally. now she supports president biden's policies for clamping down at the border she supported medicare for all at one point eliminating private insurance and her kid, he doesn't support that now, she's reversed herself on a fracking ban. what do you think that voters should think when she's reversed herself on several issues just in the last four years, i think that voters should think that she's a human being who lied burns new things every single day and is has the ability to take the time and effort to hear the concerns of all people. i think

that they should be certain that she is a fighter and a leader who's going to do the work on their behalf to ensure that there is an economy that ensures that no one is left behind, that there is a climate that we're going to continue to address the climate crisis in a way that ensures that there is a earth here for young people and for next generations of leaders. i think that they should absolutely believe that she is a leader who cares about people and who's going to put them first as she has done her entire career, no concern about flip-flopping? >> no. no concern about flip-flopping. this is a part our country changes every single day the conditions of our country changes every single day that the vice president has been consistent in her values. and there are lots of different ways to solve the challenges that are in front of us. we've got to make sure that we have a candidate who is it's listening. and a candidate who at and a leader who frankly again, puts the people first before i let you go, i want to play video that has resurfaced. it's all over

the internet. you already know what i'm going to play 2019. it was you ban an adviser to then senator harris fending off a right-wing activist who came up to you at an airport just take it away a quick question that you're getting behind you, that you're fighting. now ladies and you're in my way what's most remarkable about that scene that we just played is now of course, kamala harris is the vice president and nominee for president. >> you are united states senator and the woman who came up to you all and to the harris is anna anna paulina luna, who's a congresswoman. >> right now look, i think it shows again the continued

leadership of women in this country who have a strong set of values and who want to offer themselves in public service to there communities. >> and it's great that we all have moved from the airport to some of the even anna paulina even looks voters in florida elected or so, they've made, they must think that she shares their values and has something to offer to the american discourse that was an occasion where the then united states senator kamala harris was actually trying to have a conversation with other people in the airport and representative luna aggressively wanted to make her point. here we are thank you so much for coming in. appreciate it. thank you. >> good to see you and what do donald trump's attacks this week reveal about the state of the presidential race as senator and close ally of the former president will join me next. >> and the debate over the debates will we ever see a trump trump-harris face-off

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there's a, there's an issue there camp obviously wanted trump's endorsement as running for governor and he kind of turned his back on president trump so this is a personal issue there, but i'll tell you, dana, what people are really focused on and what people really want to know about is what's happening around the world, what's happening right here in our backyard, we know that violent crimes is at 40 3%. >> we know rape is up 58% we know aggravated assault is up at 89%. we know that there is robberies are up 50, 56%, i believe the world's on fire. we see the border's wide open and our economies on debt spiral. that's what really people around the country is going to be voting about come november. okay. >> that was a whole lot of things i just want to push back on one crime generally speaking, has been down recently, but i just want to follow up on my question. >> according according to the lattice but according to the latest data that just was released, that's the numbers as come out underneath this biden administration. so you

can't argue with the numbers on that one. i mean, that's what it says. and i just repeated exactly what the numbers say. >> let me just follow up on my question, which was about governor kemp and, you know, that one of the main reasons why you as a senator, you're in the minority, right now is because the former president had sort of laid out his grievances against camp in 2020 and you ended up losing two seats in georgia. do you think he should continued to go after camp? >> dana, let me push back on that. i don't know. i'd push back on that. that's not that's not present. trump's fault every every single politician out there that's running for office or candidate, they're responsible for their own races, not someone else. you got to run your own racist. so that has nothing to do with, with president trump. what if you want to dive into the difference between what's happening with president trump and governor kemp, you have to really talk to them about it. i'm not involved in that, but i do know that it was personal to president trump when camp came out and aggressively salt and

president trump's endorsement and your chose to go away from me when president trump needed and needed him and let me tell you, i'm brandon, i'm a loyal friend. my friend needs me, especially if they've done me a favor. i'm going to be all in for them. i'm going to do everything possible to help them. i'm not going to play politics with it. that's why present even overturn the elections when i need eating, he was there for me i mean, what he was asking. that's totally separate issue that was about lai's upset but we look we looked at an endorsement know we were talking about endorsement. we're talking about coming out and supporting him. camp came out it openly and said he wasn't going to vote for president trump in the primary that's what this election is about. you're talking about something four years ago, let's talk about what's happening today in this election. today. today, president or governor kemp came out not today, but in this election cycle, camp came out and said that he wasn't voting for president trump in the primary. that's a problem. campus in office. campus in office because president trump endorsed him and his wife and him knows that. and so, but the media wants to talk about that. they want to talk about

anything but what this harris biden administration country i would not be asking you about this head president trump brought it up on the stump and then done it in social media. and i really wanted to ask you about the mideast. but before we go, i just do want to say that the reason why governor kemp didn't endorse donald trump in the primary is because donald trump tried to open for turn, what camp believes is a free and fair election in his home state. i want to ask you about the situation in the middle east. israelis are bracing for iran to retaliate after hamas's top political leader was assassinated in tehran and the u.s is deploying ships and fighter jets to the region you are on the armed services committee he as i mentioned, what is your level of concern about the risk of escalation here well, it's already been escalated at this point. >> what they needed though is it's not peace through appeasement is peace through strength. and there should be no daylight between us in israel right now, israel had the right to do what they did.

they took okay. out the leader of hamas, that was, that iran was aiding and abetting and was harboring. obviously he was there. and this is no different than us going after osama bin laden when he was in pakistan. this is the organization that attacked them on october 7, that iran has funded. and we've known that their funding a terrorist organization and for them to go out and take the leader out. they have every right to do that for the biden-harris or the harris biden administration to even create any type of daylight between israel is it shows weakness. i i'm glad that they're that they're position or carriers and our fighters in the right places however, they need to know that we're willing to use it and we we'll to me that immediately immediately if they go after the go after israel for taking out the hamas leader. if president trump was in office, this wouldn't even be an issue. and i mean that because they were afraid of president trump, they knew that he had he led peace through strength, not peace appeasement. and they're his word meant something. there would be no daylight between us

in israel. present trump's administration was in place because there has been a little bit of daylight. you're seeing the snake raises head and the snake is iran. and that had needs to be cut off senator this week donald trump said he would absolutely pardon january 6 rioters, even those who have been convicted of attacking police officers, you helped barricade the door to the house chamber on january 6, were showing a photo of that right now and you were prepared to fight the rioters, if necessary? >> would you be comfortable with from pardoning people who have been convicted of attacking police officers unfortunately, we saw a lot of people on january 6 get caught up in politics. >> you saw the fbi start calling them domestic terrorists and they stayed with that for year for several years after that january 6, i mean, the last three years, it says just recently quick to quit using the term. they kept referring them to a domestic terrorist. there were some people in there that we're doing bad things, but that's

not everybody. there were some people that was caught up in the movement and the way they've been prosecuted should seriously be taken, looked at, but there was aggravator agitators. what we'd call agitators. that was in that crowd to that if they were convicted, that's totally different. but these individuals that i feel like they have locked up right now, they were caught up in the political environment they were thrown into a court system that there was no way they're going to get a fair system and i believe that president trump is going to take a hard look at that. and those that were innocent, they should be they should be looked at and hopefully pardoned by president trump. >> you're saying not across the board because there have been people convicted, not across the board of attacking police officers. and that's when he said he was going to do pardon, people well, i think i think president trump is someone that's going to look at the facts before he does something he is someone that really pays attention to details. that's what i appreciate president trump. i will tell you that there was right after i left the floor there from the picture, i went down and visit with the capitol police and a triage center. it was something that i hadn't seen outside of the fog of

forward operating base since my time over over in afghanistan and i'll tell you that it was pretty disturbing to see that in the at the u.s. capitol. so those individuals that attacked police officers that were physically attacked police officers they they they committed a crime and they need to pay for that car. now, i believe 100% president trump. well, i believe president trump will take a look at it and he'll do what he feels like his best. i have my complete faith and present trump that he pays attention to every little detail and he will do what's right for the american people and just to put a button on this, it sounds like you're saying you do not think it is right for him to pardon people who were convicted of attacking police officers your opinion? >> here's what to know if they attack police officers and they physically attacked police officers. i don't i don't think they deserve to be pardon? i think they need to serve their time, but there's a lot more individuals that were caught up in this as the fbi and the

media wanted a deal, as domestic terrorists, which was absolutely absurd that they've put that tag on them but those individuals that were caught up in this political system was convicted and wrongfully convicted for what they did. and it destroyed their lives. i hope president trump does everything he can to restore their lives back to normal senator mark wayne mullen. >> thank you so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it thank you historic prisoner swap this week for three americans who are now home. but what about one left behind? alaska top? us official about alaska top us official about it next it's time yes. >> the time has come for a fresh approach to dog food. every day more dog people are deciding its time to quit the kibble and feed their dogs fresh food from the farmers dog made by events and delivered right to your for door.

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adviser, jon finer. thank you so much. much for being here. i appreciate it. i want to start with what is happening in the middle east, the u.s. is moving military assets. there after hamas's top political leader and negotiator was assassinated in iran do you believe an iranian retaliation against israel is imminent? >> well dana, i won't speak for what the iranians will or won't do. it's a better question posed for them. but what i will say is we end our ally, israel are preparing for every possibility and that's the vein in which the announcements that were made by the pentagon took place. all of those posture adjustments or to prepare for potential response against israel from iran or any other adversary that should try to do israel harm. and we have been quite clear that we will work to defend israel against the threats that it faces from outside its borders. and you don't have to take our word for it. israel faced an extraordinary threat on april 13, the united states and other

partners and allies, mustered to help israel defend against and defeat that threat. and we are preparing to do so again, should the need arise president biden said that assassination hasn't helped efforts to negotiate a ceasefire and free hostages from gaza the us reporter and cnn analyst barak ravid reports that top israeli security and intelligence officials are concerned that prime minister netanyahu does not want to move forward with a cease fire for hostages deal, does the president thick netanyahu is trying to avoid a deal? well, dan, i won't speak to the private conversations that take place between the president and prime minister. what i will say is these are two people who have a four decade plus relationship one of the extraordinary assets in the u.s. israel relationship is this personal relationship between these two liters in which they can speak to each other directly the and candidly, that's been the case since president biden came to

office. it's certainly been the case since october 7. the united states has been extremely clear, both publicly and privately about a thing that's taken place over the last week or two has changed that sense of urgency. and if anything, part of why we believe this needs to happen as quickly as possible is because in the middle east, at a time in which there are hostilities taking place outside factors can infect and disrupt these talks. and so we don't want to allow that to happen. we want the parties back to the table and working through a deal that we believe is very much on the table. >> but john separate and apart from private conversations, the question is whether president biden thinks prime minister netanyahu it's trying to avoid a deal i will let the prime minister speak to his position when it comes to a hostage deal. >> and i certainly won't characterize the president's assessment of the prime minister. we've conveyed our position quite clearly in the president's public remarks, in the president's private remarks, we see israeli negotiators at the table working towards fine analyzing an arrangement, we think that is exactly what they should be doing. >> you believe that prime

minister netanyahu is doing everything he can to get a deal what i believe is there is not currently a deal in place. >> there should be a deal in place, and we are putting as much pressure as we can and working to facilitate as much as possible with all sides try to get this deal established because we think that is fundamentally good for israel, good for its security certainly good for the palestinians who live in gaza, and good for the region to try to turn the temperature down on this entire situation, the parents of edan alexander, an american citizen who has been held in gaza for 302 days, told me that during a meeting getting with president biden and the prime minister, he personally assured the hostage families, netanyahu did that he was committed to a deal and wouldn't add new israeli conditions and that meeting was just ten days ago and the white house since then, netanyahu made new demands. >> and yell and adi alexander said hey, that he lied to them in front of president biden. did he look i'm not going to

get between a disagreement that may exist between hostage families who are going through the most extraordinarily difficult situation imaginable. >> and the prime minister of israel, what i will say is the president prime minister had a very direct discussion on this topic after that, the president and the prime minister went into a room with the american hostage families and heard very directly from them how important it is, how anguishing it is to have their loved ones in this situation. how important it is for this deal to get done, that remains are overriding focus. in addition to providing a defense from israel against the threats that it may face turning this conversation and turning our efforts to the arrangement to try to get a ceasefire done and get these hostages freed. we're not going to lose sight of that important goal. >> i want to turn to the historic prisoner exchange with russia this week in a joint statement that house speaker mike johnson senate minority leader mitch mcconnell celebrated the release of three wrongfully present americans,

but also warned, quote, trading hardened russian criminals for innocent americans does little to discourage putins reprehensible behavior are they wrong well dana, i'd say a few things. >> one is the president himself has acknowledged that these are extremely difficult decisions for any head of state. he is also said that it will be a priority for this administration. and i think we've walked the walk on this to help free americans who are wrongfully detained and abroad in situations that are almost unimaginable to many of us and i think that what the president did and by the way, what his fellow heads of state did from four other allied countries, including the chancellor of germany, who the president especially acknowledged was i think an act of, of moral courage that has led to lives being altered for the better, for americans, for russian dissidents who are caught up in president putin's unjust detentions. and this is the

kind of decision that the president said he will make. he will continue to make, and he will make it a priority. so will this alter russia's behavior going forward? i frankly don't think that is a question that entered and to our calculus, we have seen countries like russia detain americans before this administration came to office. we've seen them detain americans during this administration and we're likely to see countries like this do this going forward. and it will be a priority for the united states to get people home, uh, when we can i want to ask you before you go about marc fogel, he is a us school teacher arrested in russia in 2021. sentenced to 14 years in prison for allegedly having a small amount of medical marijuana. >> he wasn't included in this deal. his family says they received no explanation from the administration and they're not happy about it. his mother and fogel told my colleague, jim sciutto that she has not heard from the white house so here's what i'd say. dana,

which is that marc fogel is on all of our minds every single day, we have been working to get marc fogel out throughout the course of his detention including working to get marc fogel out throughout the course of his detention, including trying to get marc fogel included in this deal. >> and we're continuing right now in real time to try to work toward the release of marc fogel beyond that, i don't have much to say other than to reiterate what has been a priority for the president, which is a whether those american detainees or in russia, or in a country like afghanistan or in iran, or in syria, or anywhere else. we're going to make it a priority to try to bring them home. and we showed that last week jon finer. >> thank you so much for being here this morning. i appreciate it thank you in georgia last night, donald trump had harsh words for this dates, popular but republican governor is former lieutenant governor is voting for harris and he joins my panel next when you're the

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great. know, that's no, i think they're all great options. i think they all are greater now no, i think they're all great options. >> i think that they offer something different in the ticket i actually honestly, most of the time i have a very strong opinion. i don't have a strong opinion. i think if she goes with shapiro, it makes a really strong case for pennsylvania, but i also know with a shapiro, folks will in some folks in the party will want to know like, well, what is the position on suffering people in palestine, and how will we in the war, in the middle east, which is a fair request to know from other name that most people haven't heard of his most as much, but has a great record as a governor. and then if you have kelly arizona, there's a conversation to have about immigration. so i think they are all a great choice at the end of the day it will be who she has a good chemistry with and feels like i can lead i can run a campaign and 95

days and when and then i can lead this country for 40 years, maybe even eight so you have a unique position. >> welcome, nice to see you. geoff duncan, the former lieutenant governor of georgia serving as a republican there you now support kamalaharris because of who she's running against your unique perspective, is that i guess, who are republicans most worried about? >> well, i think kamala harris is de-risk two finalists list. there's really no mistake in that list. there's no chance of her doing a j.d. vance selection. right. and just being doing harm to the ticket. so i do think the blocking and tackling of simple math is pennsylvania. i think republicans would be scared to see a governor of pennsylvania almost instant flip that state to being, you know, a loss for the democrats, to being a win for the democrats. i think that then creates regional creep and you could probably get michigan to come along and other states, i do think it creates momentum, but at the end of the day, she doesn't have a liability on our hands with whoever she picks i want to turn to something that just came out and that is a brand new poll out of cbs yougov. it shows

razor-thin, a razor-thin margin at the top, virtual dead heat, vice president harris at 50%, president trump, former president trump at 49% but look at what it says about black voters among black voters, they say they will definitely vote 58%, say they will definitely vote. that was in july dad was july 18 rather. now 74% say they will definitely vote that really could increase. >> that's necessary, but it's still not high enough. i mean, the vice president is going to have to get 90 90% or more. she still behind, but there's 90 plus days. i'm imagining the campaign is going to continue to work on that, i think she's going to have some issues with some younger black men. i got to fill in. they're probably working on that, ashley, you would know better than i would know. but i want to touch on the shapiro issue. i think out of all of the possibilities, he would potentially be the worst one if i'm looking at michigan, you're seeing resurfacing passports for

democrats or for democrats and for vice president harris to win the state of michigan. past statements are coming up about things he stated in the past about palestinian people some of his rulings as governor as it pertains to state workers and their potential advocacy which could lead them to being fired as caused quite the conundrum and criticism from you hunger progressives, i think there's a large percent of muslims in the state of michigan that would absolutely stay home. i went to look at some of those numbers in 2020 compared to now the vice president cannot afford to lose substantial number of them. so i would look at someone else if i were democrats, i don't think that would be the best pick strategic shermichael should josh shapiro's position on israel, on netanyahu, on the middle east on protests is almost identical to the other democrat. she's talking to the only difference is that he's doing yeah. just given well, that well, you know where i stand on that issue. >> i'm as pro-israel as they come a unified many conversations about that. but i

think that it speaks to a bit of the problem with young we are progressive democrats and the cease ceasefire, i think likely we will see protests returned again to college campuses. you and i have had those conversations i certainly don't think it's a good thing, but it showcases within the democratic party, there's at least, and i wouldn't say broadly speaking but there is the appearance of some level of anti-zionism. i'll put it that way at best. and that's a problem remembering madden. >> well, look, i think too to jeff's point she's picked essentially folks who have been largely vetted who have been largely gone through the wringer, so to speak, in her final selection here now, i do agree with shermichael at the end of the day, this is gonna be about which candidate can unite the largest share of their party. there's ever decreasing number of undecided voters. so it's going to be about can kamala harris, more democrats or can donald trump unite more republican? to the extent that josh shapiro would divide democrats, i find morally reprehensible. i think it's awful that the level of anti-semitism that we see among largely the progressive left,

not exclusively but largely. and that, that is what might actually factor in i hope in a lot of ways, vice president harris actually step through that and says, you know what, i don't care. i'm going to actually stand up to my own party on some of this. i'm going to actually say we're going to pick potentially next jewish vice president. now, at the end of the day, i do think we have to get back to the core. one thing though, donald trump isn't wrong when he says that voter is going to vote on the top of the ticket, not on the second. for the vice presidential nominee we see that consistently year after year, every cycle, we have a lot of conversation, we dedicate a lot of airtime to who the vice presidential well, nominee may be, but ultimately, it's going to be about trump versus harris and get you in on that. >> i want to turn to georgia. i thought about this, i reached out for some folks last night who have been a part of the uncommitted movement. >> and it's not about a person's identity. it's about their policy folks want a cease fire in the middle east. they want people to be safe, to be able to live and to be able to thrive and whoever the vice president is, select that is, and that's the overwhelming sense. it's for the democratic party as well. and so whoever the vice president picks, that

is what they want the policy to be. it's not about she knows what it means to be a history maker she is making history every single day, so she understands how important it would be to a community to have the first jewish person on the ticket. it's about the policy, not about the actual person. >> let's talk about georgia last night because the former president went down, he actually spoken the same arena that kamala harris did earlier in the week, and he certainly had his attack lines, many of them on kamala harris. but he also went after the sitting governor who happens to be a republican. let's listen your governor kemp and raffensberger, they are doing everything possible to make 2024 difficult for republicans to win cap is very bad for the republican party. he wouldn't do anything. he could have ended the travesty with a phone call because i did nothing wrong cameras your former boss, we served together for sir

brian kemp has forgotten more about being a republican than donald trump knows about being a republican. >> brad raffensberger and myself included. we have done more for the conservative cause and donald trump has ever done this is now starting to not be donald trump's problem. this is starting to be the republican party's problem we have to call them out for what he is. he's a felony thug who walks down the street and throws sucker punches that people like brian kemp, like african american journalists, like john mccain, and the list goes on and on and on again. and the republican party is content sitting across the street watching it happen and not calling them out, not jumping into that fight and saying you are wrong for us. this 10% in the middle, which now feels like it's going to be bigger than 10% in the middle. that's going to decide this election are paying attention and i've never seen a human being more self-destructive than donald trump the last two weeks, he continues to do it over and over and over again. and when he loses, and the republican party finally catches their breath and wakes up and says we need a gop 2.0. there'll be, there'll be some people around, but it's going to take time to fix. my hope is that kamala harris ends up being a blank canvas for us to be able to help work these new policies

or new ideas into place. that's the risk i'm taking as a republican voting for kamala harris. >> final word i just say she's not much a blank canvas though. if you play the old tate's, this is going to be what about the republican on republican? >> yeah. no, i mean, it reminds me a lot of 2016, the campaign i worked on where donald trump was taken on all comers, including his own party. he shouldn't do it. i don't think it's helpful in a state like georgia where he may only win by a few points. i actually think the rest of that rally though, if you looked at he's largely on message. he was attacking the vice president on the economy with increasing unemployment. he was taking her on the border, which polling shows she's very weak on right now and has a big vulnerability with voters on if he sticks with that part of the speech, which was probably the hour and 20 minutes, not the ten minutes on brian kemp is going to win earlier. >> he's going to need governors like camp in a whole plethora of other republican governors are incredibly we popularly won the state, including across, over voters. he needs those folks to be on his side. >> is they can print percent disqualified. alright. big. it shouldn't be. we are at a time. everyone. thank you. great conversation. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere

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